Category Archives: Ohio Legislation

Principles and Policies Podcast for 1/11/2014- Things To Come

Our Principles and Policies radio show for Saturday January 11, 2014. Barry Sheets and Chuck Michaelis talk about what we might expect over the next year. Our lack of short-term optimism is only tempered by our long-term optimism for the future.

Principles and Policies Podcast for 12/7/2013- The Gift Of Critical Thinking

Our Principles and Policies radio show for Saturday December 7, 2013. Barry Sheets and Chuck Michaelis give the present of critical thinking by analyzing a recent correspondence that we were a part of. We demonstrate how to interpret and respond to questions raised in discussions.

Principles and Policies Podcast for 11/30/2013- An Interview With An Economics Professor About Our National Debt

Our Principles and Policies radio show for Saturday November 23, 2013. Chuck Michaelis interviews Dr. Sacha Walicord, pastor of Knox Presbyterian Church in Mt. Vernon, OH, who is also a PhD in economics, a trained commercial pilot, has a law degree (JD), and is a hockey referee, about the current debt situation in the United States. Dr. Walicord explains why Laurence Kotlikoff’s contention that the true national debt is several times higher than the figures published, over $200 trillion.

Dr. Walicord explains why simply balancing the budget cannot fix our current economic problems and further explains what it means to our wallets and our liberty. We also discuss what is really at the base of these issues.

Principles and Policies Podcast for 11/23/2013- Crying Out In The Wilderness About Constitutional And Economic Disasters

Our Principles and Policies radio show for Saturday November 23, 2013. Barry Sheets and Chuck Michaelis give a report on their recent testimony on Senate Joint Resolution (SJR) 5 which is an application to Congress to call a new constitutional convention purportedly to pass a balanced budget amendment. We detail Barry’s testimony regarding the true size of the federal debt and the true facts regarding what a balanced budget amendment would do to reduce that debt- nothing. We explain the faulty logic behind the balanced budget amendment. We also analyze the overall worldwide economic picture in order to bolster our points on this issue. To add insult to injury we discuss Rep. Paul Ryan’s pledge to do nothing to control spending by promising that no government shutdown will occur in January. And, yes, we tie it all together.

Article links- What’s a negative deposit rate, anyway?

European banks contemplate going to a negative deposit rate

Paul Ryan says there will not be a January shutdown

Dr. Laurence Kotlikoff shows what the true debt burden of the federal government is

A deeper analysis of Dr. Kotlikoff’s numbers

Barry Sheets’ Testimony On Ohio SJR 5 Applying To Congress For A Constitutional Convention

Barry Sheets, Director of the Institute For Principled Policy , presented testimony before the Ohio House Policy and Government Oversight Committee on Tuesday November 19, 2013. The hearing was on Senate Joint Resolution (SJR) 5, a resolution applying to Congress for a new constitutional convention purportedly for a balanced budget amendment to the United States Constitution. Mr. Sheets spoke in opposition to the resolution. Opponents were given no opportunity to testify on this resolution in its assigned Ohio Senate committee.

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Chairman Dovilla and members of the committee, I come before you today to discuss SJR 5, a resolution memorializing Congress to call a Convention to propose amendments to the Constitution of the United States.

I have been before this committee recently on the House companion version of this resolution, and the comments I shared then continue to be one of the bases of the Institute for Principled Policy’s continued opposition to this resolution’s stated purpose.  I wish to add further information to this discussion at this point.

There are only two means of amending the United States Constitution:  one means does not involve a convention, the other means does.  Congress may directly propose amendments without calling a convention; the states’ only means of proposing amendments for ratification is by the calling of a convention by Congress on the application of 34 states.  This encompasses the entirety of Article V’s permissible means to amend.

The resolution before you does call for a Constitutional convention, regardless of what has been said by proponents.  A convention which will not be limited in any way other than by the will of those who are empowered as delegates.  Let the history of the 1787 Convention be a lesson to us all in this respect.

In a letter published in the January 14th, 1788 edition of the New York Daily Advertiser addressed to Governor Clinton of New York, appointed delegates Robert Yates and John Lansing detailed their reason for leaving the convention early.  They noted that their instructions from the legislature of New York were to amend the Articles of Confederation, but what they were faced with at the convention was the adoption of an entirely new Constitution with greater centralized national power.

They stated “It is with the sincerest concern we observe that in the prosecution of the important objects of our mission, we have been reduced to the disagreeable alternative of either exceeding the powers delegated to us, and giving our assent to measures which we conceived destructive of the political happiness of the citizens of the United States; or opposing our opinion to that of a body of respectable men…”

But Lansing and Yates were not alone.  Elbridge Gerry also had grave reservations regarding the impact of Article V.  In his book, “The Compromising of the Constitution” Rexford Tugwell, a high ranking Cabinet official in the Roosevelt administration, fellow of the Center for the Study of Democratic Institutions and a major proponent of a new constitutional model called the “Constitution of the New States”, stated this:  “There was a further entry in Madison’s notes on September 10, when the Convention was nearing its end.  On that day Gerry moved to reconsider the article providing that legislatures in two-thirds of the states might require Congress to call an amending convention.  He asked whether this was a proper arrangement since a majority in a convention called by the Congress could bind the states to “innovations that might subvert the state constitutions altogether.”

Those concerns mirror those of the Institute, who firmly hold that a national convention is a body with full power to set its own course and decide on its own how extensively to change our current Constitutional system, and whether or not to continue the existing ratification process or to choose new methods to achieve their goals.  SJR 5 cannot, and will not, be able to bind delegates, unless they show the character of Yates and Lansing, seeing that they must choose principle over political or peer allegiance.  We respectfully submit to you that a safer course of action is to not pass this resolution, and work with our Congressional delegation and United States Senators to curb spending and bring it in line with sound Constitutional parameters.

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In an addendum Mr. Sheets testified to the enormity of the current indebtedness of the United States and the virtual impossibility of reducing or eliminating that debt by simply adopting a balanced budget amendment. He provided the committee with an article from Forbes magazine by way of support for his additional testimony. We provide links to that Forbes article as well as an analysis of the numbers from another article.

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The Forbes Article

The analysis

 

Charles Michaelis’ Testimony On Ohio SJR 5 Applying To Congress For A Constitutional Convention

Chuck Michaelis, Institute For Principled Policy Vice-chairman, presented testimony before the Ohio House Policy and Government Oversight Committee on Tuesday November 19, 2013. The hearing was on Senate Joint Resolution (SJR) 5, a resolution applying to Congress for a new constitutional convention purportedly for a balanced budget amendment to the United States Constitution. Mr. Michaelis spoke in opposition to the resolution.

Opponents were given no opportunity to testify on this resolution in its assigned Ohio Senate committee.

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Thank you, Chairman Dovilla and to the House Policy and Government Oversight Committee members for the opportunity to testify today on Senate Joint Resolution (SJR) 5.

Chairman Dovilla, my name is Chuck Michaelis and I am Vice-chairman of the Institute For Principled Policy. We are an Ohio-based public policy think tank.

I come before you today to speak in opposition to SJR 5. The goals of SJR 5 are noble if, probably futile. As we have or will hear today the problem with the deficit is far worse than even the sponsors of this Balanced Budget Amendment seem to realize.

Based on the scope of that problem I question the wisdom of calling a convention as a means to pass a constitutional amendment which will have no effect on deficit spending. Why do I say this? In 1992 an amendment which was part of the original 12 amendments to the Constitution was finally ratified by the requisite ¾ of the states to become the 27th Amendment to the Constitution. That amendment prohibits a pay raise for Senators and Representatives until such time as there has been an election for their seat. In other words, they can’t vote themselves a pay raise whenever they want one. So are federal representatives prevented from getting pay raises during their terms as the amendment requires? No. Thanks to the efforts of our public servants, many of them purporting to be fiscal conservatives, the prohibitions of the amendment have been bypassed by a “compensation commission” created by Congress for that purpose. The amendment has been rendered impotent.

And that is what I believe will happen with the Balanced Budget Amendment, meaning that all the toil, strife, and disharmony necessary to call a constitutional convention, even on the extremely remote chance that the proponents manage to get one called and are somehow able to control it, will turn out to be a colossal waste of time and effort. The so-called “emergency clause” of the amendment (a freight train-sized loophole) will be invoked and the pork barrels will roll unobstructed through Congress just as quickly as the 27th amendment was bypassed.

But my real focus is on the major procedural issues associated with a convention call. This body has been told not to worry. It has been told that those who believe that there is any danger in the states not being in control of a convention or that there even is any such thing as a “constitutional convention” in the Constitution are “delusional.” This comes from a line of argumentation that makes the wild claim that “everyone knew” that the Philadelphia convention was being called to re-write the Articles of Confederation.

When I testified on HJR 7 I handed you all a booklet which contained the unedited text of the state resolutions and commentary. The booklet demonstrated that not only did everyone not know about the plan to re-write the Articles but that some were expressly forbidden to do what was done at Philadelphia. The states had called a limited convention and attempted to control it with strongly worded resolutions regarding what could and could not be done. The different state delegations also had strongly divergent views regarding what the “defects of the union” were. And yet, this “controlled and limited” body of delegates threw out the Articles of Confederation they were empowered only to amend and wrote the Constitution, a fundamental change in the governmental structure of the nation. This means that those who propose that a convention can be “called, limited, and controlled” by the states through “strongly worded” resolutions have no constitutional historical precedent to back their claims.

And because of this fact we can state unequivocally that those who argue for a “controlled and limited” convention, no matter if it’s called a “convention of states” or an “amendments convention” or even “Uncle Sam’s Tattoo Contest And Constitution Hoedown” is, in fact a plenipotentiary constitutional convention if it is called by 2/3 of the states in application to Congress to alter the Constitution.

There is a second line of argumentation which is far less certain in its outlook on the controllability of a federally called convention. This line argues that a controlled and limited convention could probably be called (maybe) but that the controlling body would be the federal courts. This is based on the claim that federal jurisprudence has grown since 1789 and must certainly have a final arbiter’s role in determining the agenda and limits of any convention. This position can also cite exactly no precedents in constitutional history to back their claims. It also does not invoke warm and fuzzy thoughts and feelings regarding the safety of the procedure.

As my colleague at the Institute for Principled Policy Barry Sheets testified on HJR 7, there is a third line of argumentation involving a government body who has weighed in and claims control over the agenda and delegates to any convention- Congress through their Congressional Research Service. This claim is based on the flaw in Article V which allows states to call conventions through Congress but is silent on who appoints delegates, how they’re appointed, by what criteria they are appointed, how the convention will be assembled or structured, etc. There’s no reason for this state body to believe they’ll be in charge of the appointment of delegates under this scenario. This position can also cite exactly no precedents in constitutional history to back their claims. What they can cite is a deeply flawed Article V which should but does not structure that authority.

There is yet another line of argumentation. This is our position. We believe we can prove, based on precedents in constitutional history, that a convention, properly called, is plenipotentiary and fully capable of abolishing, amending, or completely restructuring the form of government. We base this on the 4 conventions in Anglo-American history, all of which were plenipotentiary and all of which fundamentally altered the structure and function of the national government. It is simply undeniable that a convention is always the highest law-making body in any political entity.

A court applies law that is made by a legislature. This makes the idea that a court controlling the delegates, the agenda, or the limits of a convention something of an absurdity. Courts interpret and apply written law. Legislatures make the law that courts apply. Control of a convention by a legislature is also not possible. Legislatures write law within the limits on power and authority as created by a constitution, either written or unwritten. All political organizations and, in fact, all organizations in general have a constitution whether or not it is written. It is the rule set under which they operate. And the only body which can create those rules in a political entity is a convention.

Under the model we propose to show is the correct one delegates are controlled only by their own consciences, the rules of the convention, and their perceived fiduciary responsibility. And that’s a problem because this state body assumes that the delegates will feel a fiduciary responsibility to them. The real fiduciary responsibility of delegates is to the body-politic, or every member of society within the political boundaries of the entity appointing them.

Obviously, this makes the ability to select delegates of paramount importance to the direction of the convention. The legislators have been told that it is a near absolute certainty that they will be in charge of delegate selection. Based on what? The precedent of the Philadelphia convention? There is a major flaw in this thinking. In 1787 the states were mostly autonomous. The Articles of Confederation had no official convention procedure written into it. The ONLY bodies which could appoint delegations were the state governments. In 2013 the picture is much different. The Constitution has a convention procedure. State sovereignty has all but eroded to nothing and the convention procedure’s silence combined with this erosion of sovereignty means that the Federal government sees itself as the primary controlling entity on any Article V convention. They understand that allowing states to select delegates might just mean losing a significant amount of the power that they have concentrated in Washington since 1789. And that means they will do whatever is necessary to prevent that.

If the Congress or the federal courts are allowed to set criteria or qualifications for delegates or reserves slots for special interest groups, you can probably kiss the idea of a Balanced Budget Amendment with anything like teeth goodbye.

As you can see there are many questions that must to be answered and many important concerns to be worked through before a Constitutional Convention can safely be petitioned for. I’m not sure that I’m convinced that a proper amount of contemplation of these questions and their broader consequences has been considered when I observe the speed which is being employed to push this measure through the legislative process.

Chairman Dovilla, I want to thank you and the members of the committee for your patience and indulgence in hearing my testimony. I would be more than happy to answer any questions you might have of me.

Principles and Policies Podcast for 11/16/2013- Ad Hominem, “Neutral Scholarship,” And A New Constitutional Convention

Our Principles and Policies radio show for Saturday November 16, 2013. Barry Sheets and Chuck Michaelis analyze an article written by Timothy Baldwin called Constitutional Hypocrisy at a website called News With Views. Baldwin attempts to build National Journala case that since some opponents of an Article V convention are proponents of state interposition against federal tyranny (sometimes called nullification as a pejorative) and since nullification isn’t specifically listed in the Constitution and therefore does not exist, then it follows that these people are mistaken in believing that there are things implied in Article V that exist even though they are not written. Not only that, but anyone who opposes a new convention is delusional and in league with the federal usurpers. We argue that Baldwin, son of former Constitution Party Vice-presidential and Presidential candidate Chuck Baldwin, ignores history, especially historical primary source documentation, in favor of modern constitutional “scholars,” primarily Dr. Robert Natelson, an open partisan in favor of a new convention who purports “neutral scholarship.”

We also review an article in the National Journal which calls for “blowing up the Constitution in place” which shows how the radical left views a new constitutional convention as a golden opportunity to radically alter or re-write it.

Article links- http://newswithviews.com/Timothy/baldwin199.htm

http://www.nationaljournal.com/innovation-works/a-how-to-guide-to-blowing-up-the-constitution-20131031

http://constitution.i2i.org/2013/11/10/can-treaties-override-the-constitution-an-issue-posed-by-bond-v-united-states/

http://libertydefenseleague.com/

 

Barry Sheets’ Testimony On Ohio HJR 7 Applying To Congress For A Constitutional Convention

Barry Sheets, Institute For Principled Policy Executive Director, presented testimony before the Ohio House Policy and Government Oversight Committee on Tuesday October 29,2013. The hearing was on House Joint Resolution (HJR) 7, a resolution applying to Congress for a new constitutional convention purportedly for a balanced budget amendment to the United States Constitution. Mr. Sheets spoke in opposition to the resolution.

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Chairman Dovilla and members of the committee, I come before you today to discuss HJR 7, a resolution memorializing Congress to call a Convention to propose amendments to the Constitution of the United States.

There is currently a movement in the United States that is gaining momentum. The leaders of the movement are encouraging state governments to petition Congress to call a new constitutional convention for the purpose of balancing the federal budget.   While this sounds reasonable to the average citizen, it is the opinion of the Institute For Principled Policy, not on our own authority but based on extensive research on the legal, historical, and procedural precedents set by conventions of the United States, colonial America, and Great Britain, that the chartering of a so-called “amendments  convention” or “convention of the states” will have the same result as the calling of a convention with plenipotentiary authority.

Proponents have spoken of the “role of the states” and “limiting the Convention”, as well as giving assurances that the state legislatures would be in control of the process of a Convention.  These are not supportable by historic precedent or the clear reading of the Constitutional language of Article V.  In Article V, states “apply” to Congress with memorializing petitions.  Congress, under Constitutional mandate, “shall” call a convention to consider “amendments”.

Other than a petition to begin the process, the states’ role is non-existent until final ratification, and even then Congress controls which way the states may consider ratification:  by legislature or convention.  My colleague today will be talking about the dangers of assuming that a convention will be bound under existing rules in Article V as to the means of ratifying the work of the convention.

 

In relation to the role of the states, Thomas H. Neale of the Congressional Research Service, in his report for Congress in 2012 entitled “The Article V Convention to Propose Constitutional Amendments: Contemporary Issues for Congress” states it this way:

 “First, Article V delegates important and exclusive authority over the amendment process to Congress. …. the responsibility for summoning a convention for consideration of amendments on application of the legislatures of two thirds of the states and submitting any amendments proposed by an Article V Convention for the states for their consideration.  Second, while the Constitution is silent on the mechanics of an Article V convention, Congress has traditionally laid claim to broad responsibilities in connection with a convention, including (1) receiving, judging, and recording state applications; (2) establishing procedures to summon a convention; (3) setting the amount of time allotted to its deliberations; (4) determining the number and selection process for its delegates; (5) setting internal convention procedures, including formulae for allocation of votes among the states; and (6) arranging for the formal transmission of any proposed amendments to the states.”

 Neale comments again in his article:  “Article V states in relevant part that, “The Congress … on Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several states shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments.” Congress’ explicit authority under this provision is to “call” the convention. The powers invested in Congress (setting the framework of the convention) … are entirely a function of this responsibility, authorized under the “necessary and proper” clause of Article I, section 8, clause 18. (Const. Conv. Implement. Act of 1984, 98th Congress)

Larry Sabato of the University of Virginia’s Center for Politics, an advocate of an Article V Convention, states it this way in his book “A More Perfect Constitution”:

“The states would be the source of the subject matter to be considered by the convention, but Congress would shape the convention’s charge by summarizing and giving structure to thirty-four state petitions calling for the convention.  The states and Congress could place limitations on the convention’s mandate, but they could not really control what would happen at the convention (italics mine).  Once called and in session, the convention would be a “free agency” that would propose whatever it chose.”

I would note for the record that the preceding is not a description of a so-called “runaway convention”:  there is no such animal.  Conventions are by definition the highest authority in a particular jurisdiction, with “full power” to carry out the mandate that the convention chooses to pursue.  The Philadelphia Convention of 1787 is a textbook example of this, and has been cited by others testifying today.

Can a state memorializing resolution be a powerful enough source to limit a plenipotentiary national convention?  Many legal and Constitutional scholars, as well as our organization, believe the answer to be clearly, legally and historically an emphatic NO.

Charles Black of Columbia University said the following: “I believe that, in Article V, the words ‘a Convention for proposing such amendments’ mean ‘a convention for proposing such amendments as that convention decides to propose…..(Article V) does not imply that a convention summoned for the purpose of dealing with electoral malapportionment may kick over the traces and emit proposals dealing with other subjects. It implies something much more fundamental than that; it implies that Congress cannot be obligated, no matter how many States ask for it, to summon a convention for the limited purposed of dealing with electoral apportionment alone, and that such a convention would have no constitutional standing at all. (italics mine)”

Duke University Professor and former Solicitor General Walter Dellinger stated:

“If the legislatures of thirty-four states request Congress to call a general constitutional convention, Congress has a constitutional duty to summon such a convention.  If those thirty -four states recommend in their applications that the convention consider only a particular subject, Congress still must call a convention and leave to the convention the ultimate determination of the agenda and the nature of the amendments it may choose to propose (italics mine).”

 In essence, HJR 7 calls for something that it can’t have:  a limited, controlled convention wherein the state legislatures set the issue of the debate.  The subject matter of the call, a balanced federal budget, is not the primary issue here.   The issue here is the mechanisms of Article V of the Constitution, the historical precedent of previous conventions, and the real possibility of wholesale changes to our carefully-structured system of governance.

The Institute for Principled Policy would urge the members of this committee to turn down this resolution, and instead work with our Congressional delegation to find ways to curb government spending at both the federal and state levels.  That is a more Constitutional way to balance the budget.

Charles Michaelis’ Testimony On Ohio HJR 7 Applying To Congress For A Constitutional Convention

Chuck Michaelis, Institute For Principled Policy Vice-chairman, presented testimony before the Ohio House Policy and Government Oversight Committee on Tuesday October 29,2013. The hearing was on House Joint Resolution (HJR) 7, a resolution applying to Congress for a new constitutional convention purportedly for a balanced budget amendment to the United States Constitution. Mr. Michaelis spoke in opposition to the resolution.

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Thank you, Chairman Buchy and to the House Policy and Government Oversight Committee members for the opportunity to testify today on House Joint Resolution (HJR) 7.

Chairman Buchy, my name is Chuck Michaelis and I am Vice-chairman of the Institute For Principled Policy. We are an Ohio-based public policy think tank.

There have been 4 conventions in Anglo-American constitutional history. In every case the convention resulted in a fundamental change in the governmental structure of the nation in which it was called. Therefore, I come before you today to speak in opposition to HJR 7. The goals of HJR 7 are noble. In this age of financial instability, rapidly rising deficits and concern about when the effects of turning on the government printing presses to bail out mortgage lenders and large manufacturers will be felt in the form of inflation, it is imperative that government be required to do what I have to do at home- live within my means.

But I question the necessity of calling a convention as a means to pass a constitutional amendment which will have no effect on deficit spending due to the “in case of emergency” clause, a gaping loophole. But more importantly is the danger of calling a convention which has the power to drastically alter our form of government for such a questionable expedient.

Historically, HJR 7 looks a lot like the documents issued by the Continental Congress in February 1787 and the documents issued from the legislatures of several states appointing delegates to the Constitutional Convention of 1787. Congress passed a resolution, based on the findings of the Annapolis Convention, a meeting of the delegations of 5 states-Virginia, Delaware, Pennsylvania, New Jersey and New York- to discuss defects in the Articles of Confederation, which called a convention of all 13 states, “…for the sole and express purpose of revising the Articles of Confederation and reporting to Congress and the several legislatures such alterations and provisions therein as shall when agreed to in Congress and confirmed by the states render the federal constitution adequate to the exigencies of Government & the preservation of the Union. (emphasis added)” The Articles had an absolute requirement that any amendments to them had to be accepted unanimously. Note that Rhode Island sent no delegates to the Constitutional Convention of 1787.

Several states that did send delegates to the Constitutional Convention were worried about what a convention could do to the Articles of Confederation and the sovereignty of their states. The documents they used to appoint delegates stringently required the delegates to discuss amendments to the Articles only and, especially in the case of Delaware, forbade them to discuss the elimination of the Articles and their replacement with a new constitution. Other states that restricted their delegations from participating in elimination of the Articles included Connecticut, New York and Massachusetts.

And yet, after the first official act of the Constitutional Convention of 1787 was to agree to work in complete secret, the convention agreed to violate the instructions given by both the Continental Congress and their state legislatures. Many say that this is the moment that the convention became a runaway. But the term “runaway” is a category error for a body which has been legally appointed to make changes to the governing document of a political entity. You see, a convention called in the proposed manner for the purpose of changing the governing documents is a higher law making body than the legislatures calling it. That is a logical necessity. A convention is always the highest lawmaking body of any political entity. The convention makes the law which the lower law-making bodies are bound by oath to obey. This means that a convention, once called and seated, has the authority to do nothing, amend the existing structure of government or even, as we saw in the Philadelphia convention, to dissolve the old structure (the Philadelphia Convention’s second official act), form a new one and set an entirely different procedure for ratification than the old structure specified.

This also means that legislative attempts to limit convention delegates regarding subjects to be discussed or limiting amendment options in enabling documents are only effective if the delegates feel a fiduciary responsibility to the legislature. If they feel a fiduciary responsibility to a special interest group or to the body-politic they will exercise that responsibility accordingly. Thus, the Rhode Island legislature sent no delegates to the Philadelphia convention because “… we conceived that as a Legislative Body, we could not appoint Delegates, to do that which only the People at large are intitled to do; by a Law of our State the Delegates in Congress are chosen by the Suffrages of all the Freemen therein and are appointed to represent them in Congress; and for the Legislative body to have appointed Delegates to represent them in Convention, when they cannot appoint Delegates in Congress, … must be absurd; as that Delegation in Convention is for the express purpose of altering a Constitution, which the people at large are only capable of appointing the Members… As the Freemen at large here have the Power of electing Delegates to represent them in Congress, we could not consistantly appoint Delegates in a Convention, which might be the means of dissolving the Congress of the Union and having a Congress without a Confederation.”

Rhode Island got it. A convention had the power to dissolve the existing union. Where they went wrong was in believing that they could stop both the amending of the Articles of Confederation and a new constitution, citing Article XIII which unequivocally stated “And the Articles of Confederation shall be inviolably observed by every State and the Union shall be perpetual; nor shall any alteration at any time be made in any of them unless such alteration be agreed to in a Congress of the United States and be afterwards confirmed by the Legislatures of every State.” By not participating they believed the other 12 states could do nothing. What they failed to conclude from their own argument and what modern advocates for convention ignore is that a convention has the power to create a new ratification procedure. This renders the argument that Article V’s ratification procedure is an ironclad protection against wholesale changes to the Constitution moot. What if a convention prescribes a procedure like an online plebiscite? It may seem ridiculous but Rhode Island found the idea of the ratification of the new Constitution by ¾ of the states in convention equally ridiculous. They did not come into the union for nearly 3 years after the new Constitution was submitted to them.

Former Chief Justice Warren Burger was asked what he thought of some of the Constitutional Convention movements of the mid- 1980’s. he confirmed the Rhode Island legislature’s concerns-

“I have also repeatedly given my opinion that there is no effective way to limit or muzzle the actions of a Constitutional Convention. The convention could make its own rules and set its own agenda. Congress might try to limit the convention to one amendment or to one issue, but there is no way to assure that the convention would obey. After a convention is convened, it will be too late to stop the convention if we don’t like its agenda. The meeting in 1787 ignored the limit placed by the confederation Congress “for the sole and express purpose. (emphasis added)”

Burger would be in a position to know the history, being both a Chief Justice of the Supreme Court and head of a federal committee to celebrate the bicentennial of the ratification of the US constitution in 1989 due to his scholarship on the subject. Burger is far from alone. His has been the view of scholars like Blackstone, St. George Tucker, John Randolph Tucker, and many others.

In light of Chief Justice Burger’s opinion, I would like to ask this committee to contemplate a number of questions before deciding to become one of the several states which have active Constitutional Convention resolutions. In the event that 34 states ask for a Constitutional Convention and Congress is then forced to call an Article V Constitutional Convention what will Ohio do if Congress uses its authority to appoint all of the delegates? Article V contains no requirement that the states be represented in a Constitutional Convention. Article V was a last minute addition to the text of the Constitution. It was not a completely developed idea and was only lightly debated. Thus, it has several flaws. The lack of clarity regarding who can appoint delegates and the criteria that will be used to call them is only one of these. You have already heard testimony today that constitutional scholars believe the power to control delegate selection is a federal responsibility. Thus, a fiduciary responsibility to the Ohio body-politic is a pivotal question you must answer.

If the states are allowed to choose their own delegates then who will choose them? The Governor? The House, The Senate? A bi-cameral panel? A blue-ribbon commission? A plebiscite? If by plebiscite, then who picks the potential candidates? Who can vote? All eligible electors? Taxpayers only? Or would we possibly, in the interest of “enfranchisement”, allow all citizens and potentially foreign nationals the franchise for this special election?

What would the requirements be for a candidate for delegate? Exclusively lawyers? A mix of professionals? So-called “proportional representation” of all special interest groups? Will people of strong religious conviction be excluded? What will the exact criteria for eligibility be? Will the Ohio Constitutional Modernization panel be the model? What if Congress requires reserved spaces for special interests?

What will the deliberative body look like ideologically? Will there be representation for anarchists? Libertarians? Marxists? Constitutional Conservatives? How will you know how the body is constituted? How can that possibly be controlled or should it be?

Frankly, as a constituent of this body, I think I should have some knowledge about how my representatives have planned to control these variables when there is a very real possibility that a Constitutional Convention will vote to discard the Constitution of 1789 in favor of “something new.”

Can this body convince me that the bill of rights will remain intact in the event of a radical Constitutional Convention? In light of earlier Constitutional Convention history, can you guarantee that there will still be states existing as sovereign bodies after a Constitutional Convention? Had Alexander Hamilton gotten his way in 1787 there would be no separate states. Will a potential new constitution recognize my rights as being an inalienable gift of God which government is charged to protect by Him? Or will it treat them as a gift of government to be taken away and returned on the whim of whoever holds power?

As you can see there are many questions that must to be answered and many important concerns to be worked through before a Constitutional Convention can safely be petitioned for. I’m not sure that I’m convinced that a proper amount of contemplation of these questions and their broader consequences has been considered when I observe the speed which is being employed to push this measure through the legislative process.

Chairman Buchy, I want to thank you and the members of the committee for your patience and indulgence in hearing my testimony. I would be more than happy to answer any questions you might have of me.

Principles and Policies Podcast for 10/26/2013- Tyranny In Ohio State Government

Our Principles and Policies radio show for Saturday October 26, 2013. Barry Sheets and Chuck Michaelis discuss the seizure of legislative authority by Governor Kasich by a slick maneuver in which he abused his line item veto power to negate a section of the budget law passed by the Ohio legislature which outlawed Medicaid expansion in Ohio. The Governor then stacked the deck on the Ohio Controlling Board with the help of House Speaker Bill Batchelder to thwart the will of the Ohio legislature and expand Medicaid anyway. Barry and Chuck explain why it’s a tyranny for the executive branch to usurp legislative authority and what it may cost the governor.

Barry and Chuck also discuss testimony given by Senate President Keith Faber in which he completely misses the mark on the powers of a convention and exactly how and why a convention works.

Article links-  http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2013/10/22/Medicaid-tax-cut.html

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